Tuesday, August 22, 2006

Can We Learn From "Naturals"?

Naturals are those women who can attract men easily. Paris Hilton is a "natural". They naturally can do the flirty actions that gets and keeps a man's attention (and wishes!)

Over the last three years I have been finding out about how men in the seduction field think and act. And I found out that there is a lot that we can learn from them.

For example, several of the top PUA's in the USA got that way by studying "naturals". On one PUA forum a "natural" is defined by one well known PUA as:


"Natural" ... means the guy gained competence in the game through direct experiences, without actually "being taught" how to game. A natura still knows what he's doing at all times, and he may or may not depend on familiar material, but he sure as hell has a structure he understands and utilizes well. Most naturals have it all internalized, though, and not consciously thinking of every move."

None the wiser? To be honest, the discussion on this forum is often like this. It can be quite hard to follow. Guys talk about all this stuff in great depth and they practice A LOT!

Authors, David DeAngelo and Neil Straus - who have both written highly successful books for men on the subject of getting and keeping attraction - both deliberately set out to learn from "naturals". They found men who were highly successful with women and got to know them intimately. They also studied them in action, interviewed them or got coached by them.

Both succeeded in developing the skills of seduction and have since become wealthy on their knowledge - as well as highly successful with women. DeAngelo at one time had multiple long term relationships ( called MLTRs in "the seduction community" - ie long term relationships with several women at the same time) and Dr Strangelove (my "pet" term for Straus) was ranked No 1 PUA in the USA for 2005.

So can we learn from naturals?

Well, if a a short, skinny bald guy (Strangelove) can become successful by studying naturals.....

Then there is the proof and the answer.

We can watch what they (the women who are naturals) do and then try it out for ourselves. We can ask them what they do and see whether that works for us. We can do workshops and we can read books. And we can talk to other women who are keen to learn and share our experiences - the successes and failures.

But there is a catch!


Naturals don't always understand what they are doing. In fact, they rarely do! That's why its often the people who learn from them (Like deAngelo and Strangelove) who make all the money. Because they had to "interpret" and "apply" what the naturals were doing. And then they were in posession of some pretty special knowledge!!

No wonder they got rich!


There is another catch.

Once you get guys seeking you out, you have to be able to tell which are the good guys and which are the wrong guys!

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Flirting With Success

I've just finished putting together a "how to" on flirting (for women - sorry guys). Because it is fresh in my mind - and anyway a subject I am very interested in - I decided to do a blog about it. So I went looking for some interesting stuff on the internet.

Well, I am sorry to say, there is an awful lot of trash out there on this subject. Consider the following advice I found on one site (better than most):


"Flirting Tips for Women :

Men are notoriously bad at interpreting signals from women. Know what you want when you flirt and make sure your signals are clear and that they convey what you mean. It’s not fair to flirt with someone for the fun of it – unless they are obviously flirty themselves. Flirting for fun is fine when you know someone a little better. If you genuinely want to meet people then by all means flirt, just make sure you know how to separate the sexual flirting signals from the 'hi, I'm friendly' flirting signals......"

This is just so full of BS. What else can you call it?

Number 1: "Men are bad at.... " Research just does not back this bald statement up. In fact the research I have been using for my project (by a somewhat famous lady who has been studying flirting for over twenty years now) reveals that when women use the right flirt actions men will respond (approach) within 15 seconds!

Number 2: "Its not fair to flirt with someone for fun."

Is she kidding?

There are so many good reasons for flirting it is just plain rediculous to make this statement. It is just plain irrelevant, anyway. Most of the flirt actions women use to get men interested they don't even know they are using! So how can that be unfair? Better to know what you are doing, I say, then you can get even better at it. Want to know how? Read more HERE.

Remember the hair toss-trick Cameron Diaz used in Charlie's Angels? The above pic shows this one simple flirt trick in action. One study I read showed that men will respond to this 100% of the time and within 15 seconds!

If you want to know other flirt tricks that get this kind of attention, then look out for future blogs.

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